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Osteoporosis, Say no to Fosamax, say yes to SCDiet !


Monday, November 11 2002 - Filed under: General

I asked the following questions on the Healing Crow community:
Hi,

What is the current view on osteoporosis ?
Is it true that both the SCDiet and paleodiet heal osteporosis ?
Any experiences / testimonials ?

What should one do if one gets prednisone-induced osteoporosis ?

There is a discussion on the Dutch www.scdiet.nl website and some are
saying that Fosamax is a very good drug to use, but I have my doubts
and I think it would be better to treat it with diet and minerals (not
calcium by the way).. Fosamax might increase bone mass index, but
probably won't increase bone strength.. Any thoughts ? Thanks in
advance,

Ed,
The Netherlands

I received many responses, which I all list below

* What is the current view on osteoporosis ?
* Is it true that both the SCDiet and paleodiet heal osteporosis ?
* Any experiences / testimonials ?

The conventional view, of course, is that animal protein causes it, but
that's a total misconception. Testing with dried protein fractions is the
basis for that myth. Actually, the antinutrient substances in grains and
legumes prevent absorption of minerals, and a high sugar diet also leaches
minerals from the bones.

* What should one do if one gets prednisone-induced osteoporosis ?

I would be very moderate in consumption of even legal sugars, not
overindulging in honey and the sweeter fruits, plus make very sure to eat
meat and dairy with the *fat*. Animal foods have necessary
minerals/nutrients for the bones, but these nutrients cannot be
absorbed without fat.

* There is a discussion on the Dutch www.scdiet.nl website and some are
* saying that Fosamax is a very good drug to use, but I have my doubts
* and I think it would be better to treat it with diet and minerals (not
* calcium by the way).. Fosamax might increase bone mass index, but
* probably won't increase bone strength..

Fosamax is a metabolic poison that prevents the breaking down of old, weak
bone, therefore leaving no room for new and stronger bone. It does make
the bones look denser on an Xray, but this dense bone is actually weaker.
Generally, after taking Fosamax for years, the patient suffers a very
severe fracture. This is actually what happened to my mother, who
unfortunately insisted on following her doctor's advice and taking this
dreadful drug.

And here's another expert's view:
Ed,

There was a big article here in our newspaper about the hormones and
medicines they are using for osteoporosis and they've now realized that these
are not the solutions for improving loss of bone density.
Hormones are not the help that they've claimed and can cause problems. The
Dr's feel that it is better now that women adapt to some of the symptoms
caused by menopause rather than risk some side effects of the hormones.

And Foxamax is NOT a help for osteoporosis. It may induce some loss of bone
density but it also leaves the bone more brittle because it inhibits new bone
cell growth - something you don't want!
Fosamax greatly upset my intestinal problem so I quit taking it after 4 days
a couple of years ago.

Good diet seems to be the best way to handle it and exercise.

And here's another one
No news is good news. This, from my Doctor whom has been treating my osteoporosis since being diagnosed in 1988. I am forty-two and after years of Band-Aid treatments, (prednisone) this is how I developed some 3 chronic illnesses. The SCD has brought me to great health... No medications are needed.

And yet another view of an expert on the SCDiet
Hey Ed,

I had quite a run-around with my primary care doc who likes the SCD
but doesn't know how to read bone density charts (nor did his
predecessor, for that matter). In short, the data in the databases
is primarily post-menopausal women, so if a 30+ year old male gets a
reading then they have to ''guesstimate'' what his condition really is,
based upon older female data. In my own case, I've never broken a
bone in my life and very skeptical that I ever had a bone density
problem and refused to take Fosomax when my doc suggested it after my
second visit in 4 years. Instead, I tried a product called Osteo Pro
Care for a week but my mind told me it wasn't the right thing for me
so I gave it up.
More on my own bone density research here:
glassbird.com/scd/2002_08_25_archive.htm#80959577

And yet another experience
I was diagnosed two years ago with osteopenia and osteoporosis (not advanced)
and my PCP was adamant about giving me Fosomax. I refused it and later found
it definitely illegal on SCD. One year later there was no further advancement
of the osteoporosis, but my doctor wanted to discuss drugs again. During that
year I lifted weights, exercised and had lots of SCD yogurt and also cheese
and told her I'd get back to her about a drug consultaion but haven't done
so.

Why you don't want to use progesterone or DHEA
DHEA is a sex hormone. It is produced natually by the adrenals in men and
women and metabolised into both male and female sex hormone (testosterone
and estradiol). The body ordinarily knows what to do with those. But when
a person takes this stuff like a candy, delicate balancing mechanisms go
haywire. A woman may very well develope deepened voice, facial hair, acne,
grossly enlarged clitoris, and a man may have breast enlargement, atrophied
testes, fat deposits around the hips and thighs. Changes in the size of
organs, such as deepening of the voice and enlargement of the breasts, are
permanent. There is no way to reverse them, although the breasts can be
surgically removed (expensive, painful, and health insurance will not
cover).

If a pregnant women takes DHEA, all sort of things can go wrong with the
sex organs of the fetus. It may have both male and female organs, or
neither, or they may be deformed in various ways.

None of these effects are fatal. Maybe that's why DHEA is allowed to be
sold.

Some comments
Don't forget about weight bearing exercise, that also seems to help.
Fosamax is also known for being hard on the gut. Not the best
medication for someone with bowel disease.

A website with info on how to fight osteoporosis naturally
www.betterbones.com

This is a very interesting read, written by Wai Genriiu
Excessive Calcium Causes Osteoporosis
www.4.waisays.com/

And this was posted by M on 21 August:
In addition to a diet that is rich in minerals that you can absorb,
one will also need exercise as well as stress reduction to combat
bone loss and successfully rebuild bones. According to some reading
I have done on the matter, stress creates acid, which pulls calcium
and other minerals from the bone to 'neutralize' it. Daily exercise
is important because the bones strengthen as we work our
muscles. ''Load bearing'' exercise is deemed the most useful (walking,
weight lifting..); there seems to be a lot of disagreement about
running because of the repetitive high-impact on the possibly already
damaged cartilege. Swimming is good for the heart and keeps one
flexible but has not been shown to increase bone density.

Also, my reading indicates that foods that are high in sodium (esp.
processed foods) cause the calcium to not get used/absorbed
properly. So...a high-calcium hard cheese (perfectly SCD) with lots
of sodium will not be as useful as one with less calcium and little
or no sodium. I enjoy a goat cheese gouda that is high in calcium
but not high in sodium. One book indicated that 500mg salt will
neutralize 10mg calcium.

Lastly, there is a lot of discussion about the impact of animal
protein in relation to calcium absorption. According to at least one
source, calcium excretion from the bones increases b/c when protein
breaks down it is very acidic and calcium is called upon to buffer
this. One book indicated that 4 oz. of chicken requires 100mg of
calcium!!!! Egads.

One thing that really is contentious is the concept of bone density
versus flexibility. Several books have criticized (and Mercola as
well, as I recall) the push to increase bone density via ''mega-
supplementation'' (Fosamax, etc.) b/c the authors believed that this
technique also creates bones that are more brittle than they would
otherwise be. The scenario of a ''piece of chalk'', being 100%
calcium, but very easy to snap in one's fingers was used. Yoga and
swimming were referenced as good ways to keep flexible while
increasing bone density.

Further Resources:
Bone Boosters, by Harris McIlwain
The Bone Density Diet, by George Kessler
The Doctor's Book of Home Remedies for Stronger Bones, by Mary Kiffel

An old message on Osteoporosis
With osteoporosis one also has to consider the causes of calcium leaking out
of the bone- not just Ca input as the dairy and supplement industry would
have us believe. The main dietary cases of calcium withdrawals from the bone
are : sugar, caffiene, phosphoric acid, sodium and high animal proteins - all
of these things acidfy the blood and and must be buffered by mineral
withdrawals from bone. Also be aware that some bone loss in normal as we age
but the drug companies have chosen numbers that reflect bone denisty in a 20
year old as the norm in their tests.. Another thing to consider is that it is
health of the bone not just density that matters. in China bone denisity is
much lower than in the US but osteoporis rates are nil in China. Chalk which
is 100% calcium will shatter when dropped

And yet another reply to the old message above
* With osteoporosis one also has to consider the causes of calcium leaking out
* of the bone- not just Ca input as the dairy and supplement industry would
* have us believe.

One has to consider both nutrients which build bones and also, as you say,
the causes of minerals leaching out of the bones.

* The main dietary cases of calcium withdrawals from the bone are :
* sugar, caffiene, phosphoric acid, sodium and high animal proteins -

Sugar is a major cause, as is phosphoric acid, caffeine is a relatively
minor cause (nothing compared to sugar, including starches, which are
fortunately not SCD legal), and it's a myth that animal protein is bad for
bones. In fact, those elderly who eat the most animal protein and fat
have the strongest bones; good quality protein is vital for repairing
our bodies, and bone is no exception.

* all of these things acidfy the blood and and must be buffered by
* mineral withdrawals from bone.

Lean animal protein without the fat is harmful to the bones. If you eat
the fat along with the meat, your body can absorb the nutrients in the
meat, and the bones are protected.

* Another thing to consider is that it is health of the bone not just
* density that matters. in China bone denisity is much lower than in
* the US but osteoporis rates are nil in China.

Those who prescribe Fosomax forget that it's the strength and health that
matter, and when they give someone with osteoporosis a metabolic poison
that prevents the body from removing old bone, the structure looks dense
on an xray, but becomes extremely fragile.

Short summary
Say no to Fosamax and all other osteoporosis medication..
Say no to phosphoric acid in soda pops..
Say no to milk and refined foods (bread, sugars, starches, etc)
Say yes to a natural diet (which includes meats and natural fats), like the SCDiet or the paleolithic diet.
Say no to calcium supplements. Your diet contains enough calcium. Your body knows how much calcium it needs and will adapt the absorption rate to the amount of caclium you eat. Too much calcium will aggrevate osteoporosis
Say yes to healthy bone-building exercise
Soon I'll write an article on this, which combines all above views into a nice summarized article..
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